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1992-Krakers, a chair, a table and a bed
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kaken is also it's a very direct action to stop
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something uh in yeah to stop a problem with uh with
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housing so for many people it was very unlogical that there is many houses
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empty and on the same time that there is many people without a house
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um it was meant to uh to stop speculation with housing and
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uh it started about uh 1970 it was a kind of protest direct
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action um but it developed more and
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more [Music]
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again [Music]
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as you can see now we are on a boat on the Amsterdam
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channels normally this boat is in a harbor outside Amsterdam which we
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squatted four and a half years ago it's called ADM now we are threatened with an
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eviction and I'm on my way to court with this
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boat we don't want to leave there because for some silly reason they want
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to make a whole lot of money by selling this place this old shipw
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to uh the government of this
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city we not planning to leave and if they still want us to
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leave we have other methods than fighting in court till now we had uh three
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courts from the 1 in January the 2 in February and this
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one and the game is still not over that's the
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only thing we can say you know I I don't know what they going to judge it will be
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in a month the the sentence but
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uh yeah the worst is uh you have to leave in two
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months uh the best is uh there are no uh licenses for the new
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hire and and uh we have to wait for that and after that uh if he has his license
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to start there um you get another 3 months or
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something during the 60s some quarters after they were evicted they started uh
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Court sessions because they said it was illegal that they were kicked out so then you get some uh sentences of Court
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the court high court that uh when a house is empty that uh is legal to squat and that's
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still the main rule in [Music]
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Holland we squatted this place the North Pole we squaded in two years ago we came
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with 30 people there is a forest near here almost 28 of the people stayed
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there and then uh Martin and Me we went in the day just in a normal day
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12 or something we went uh the other back we break in with one
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uh where is this [ __ ] thing one thing like this we open the
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door or we broke the door and we went in we opened the front door and we call the
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other people and they come immediately and uh and was called
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yeah the police came after half an hour just when I finished with put a lock a new lock in the front door so I closed
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immediately but it was not finished yet but I didn't want nothing they just uh
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said okay it's SED yeah SED okay yeah for me it's a big reason that
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uh it was empty empty houses should be uh used I find this and that's why uh I
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like to squat I like to live in a squad it's also because you can do a lot of
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things with these buildings I prefer to live with a lot of people um because
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when I live on my own I work all day at home because I paint and sometimes I get like wow I
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want to to see people and here are friends they're around me I can drink
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tea with them or cook with them if I want if I don't want I have my own room
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and I can do my own things that's what I like about the
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community we have meetings once in a while whenever matters come up that we have to solve
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something like uh last winter the water line froze and and uh it bursts it's all
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lead pipes and we had to fix it you know of course you need water until we get together talk about okay what we're
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going to do we have uh money that every month we put in a pot a central pot and
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from that we pay water bill electricity whatever and then also we have money to
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pay in this case to fix the water line and then we all help uh uh fixing it so
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it's just a cooperation mostly we just have had to inform
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ourselves in the government how long this house was empty to know if we had the right to squat it
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and then we came inside and we had everything was uh there was electricity
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there was water and the building was in perfect condition and then we just came
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inside and we clean it up and uh we just put a nice s inside for us to start to
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live here well I think for us uh the to live and to work in the squat is is a
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god m a gold mine means that uh not in money
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but much more that we have here the opportunity to
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to to explore the theater side The Movement Theater we have a space each
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day we can go in we can work there our pieces out to create and secondly the
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way of living in a squat attracts me especially because uh I like to to share
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the same building with people that are more or less from the same uh way of
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living it's a style of living it's more than only uh just living in the squat it's also philosophy the people are
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coming here to be together split
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something my philosophy of living in a squat is uh I find if I would rent one one
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house just renting one house and uh live there it the the the the contact with my
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neighbors will be different so that means that doesn't
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mean that that that uh that here because you don't pay on the moment rent that
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you that this makes the contact different but it's much more that the people that lived in this house are here
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because they choose for it is is a kind of living style and this philosophy is
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like uh for example for me personally that uh I can borrow something from a
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friend of mine in this house I can borrow something and he can borrow something to me without any
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problem uh we have social contacts much more than I think that people have when
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they live just on their own well I think uh schols that SC what
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who are not legalized I think um it's about um
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5,000 at least but you can say uh most of them
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live for more than five or 10 years also um uh under not um legal conditions and
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in practice you can say well uh in in fact they are living legal
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[Music] now
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[Music] well when I first came in here I felt a
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very good energy and I wanted to stay here so I started to build and when I
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finish it the next day someone passed by and said oh that's a crack and you have
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to pay rent I'm going to do something against you and and then I start to [ __ ] you know I
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worked two mons on it and then someone just passed by and terrorized me and we
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have everything well we build it everything when we first arrived here it was a bit
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messy the walls were a bit falling then we rebuild it all we have kitching we
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have toilet we have a bath we have a shower we have it's just normal life but
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the when the house was squatted in 1978 so that's 13 years ago there came six
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people and they found an empty house and what they found was nothing it was
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all wood and there wasn't even a tap there was no electricity and they rearranged they
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started to rearrange the house and they made water and electricity and they made
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four floors yeah the Neighbors in the beginning they had a
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much better contact I think with the squats than we have now with the neighborhood I mean uh this is an area
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that is really and inside folk inside people so they have a whole own culture
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and for instance there's a pup on the other side of the house and well it's not nice to go there because they will
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look you out and and they never greet us so we you can say hello and they don't
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we are still the
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sarter every Monday evening we we have uh here a squat Consulting
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hour um that means that people who want information about squatting or want to
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squat something can come here and uh we give uh all the information he or she
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wants and if this person uh finds something uh what he wants to squat then
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we help him uh from the beginning uh till uh the end uh first we uh let the
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person go out him or herself and look around to see if there's an empty house
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or an empty floor and then if they find something um they have to check that out
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further and if they don't find something we can give them some addresses that we think are
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empty um then they have to go by there themselves a few time and see if there's light burning or ring the bell or
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whatever to see if it's empty and then there's some official places where you can get more
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information like who the owner is and if it's been reported empty and things like
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that and if that's done and we're sure it's empty uh we organize the squad so
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we get some people together and then the actual Squad will
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happen Okay we're going to squat uh house we're going to go from the back
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side we're going to go from the back side and uh smash a little window then
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we go into the window we open the door the front door and then all the people
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come in and as soon as all the people are
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inside we are trying to work we are changing the lock from the door and then
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we put our lock on it so that we have our own entrance that's because when the police come the police have
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uh have to consider that it's uh that we have our own door that we can open our own door you know and then well if we
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have our own entrance then everything is all right and then they cannot do anything in the beginning they cannot
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defect
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us
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squatting now they're still being squatted in Amsterdam it's uh its
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apartments are being squaded around the center of town in the poorer areas there
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is no big houses there there's just Apartments so people Squad an apartment here in town here in the center of town
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there is no Apartments there's just big houses and they are all being used so
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the only things that are being squatted Now is really bad houses Old bad
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houses and uh I would say that is political squatting because if people
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would uh like to live they could squat an apartment perhaps outside but these
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people they want to live together they want to organize themselves and they want to fight uh the change in the city
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center well when you came here it was just the the walls and uh some floors
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and we had to build it all over again and uh well we squatted it because uh
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yeah we want to uh show the people that uh lots of people need a home here it's
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about 60,000 people in Amsterdam who uh want to live in Amsterdam but they can't because there's no homes there's no
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cheap cheap homes and uh what happens here it goes It goes the rents go up by
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it and if you squat a building rents uh well they don't go up they they stay the
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same or they go down and well we want to uh make uh governments and uh yeah big
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yuppies and uh rich people clear that uh it's it's
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not uh yeah you can't uh make money out
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out of people's uh first need and that's a roof over the head and uh well that's
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one reason why why I S I can't tell by all all people
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but on one concert we were kind of drunk and
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then and it was really good atmosphere and then uh in the end we all changed of
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instrument like I I went to play the drums and only went to play the bass did
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you and went to play guitar and thean was
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[Music]
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singing
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[Music] from take
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me take me take me from
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I think there's more B the practice in the practice rooms official Studios than
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in schools we we only pay electricity the atmosphere is the atmosphere is
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really good like to go squats and it's really nice nicer than the
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[Music]
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studio
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squatting is not legal if the house is empty not being used if people uh uh are
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not seen breaking open the door and if they really live there and how can you
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prove that you really live there to have a a chair a table and a
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bed now the the name of this place is the bad it's quarted in February
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1984 the day ofos on the day of gayos yeah and uh now we have um um let's
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start that side there is a a bar then we have a big place it's called the hall we
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do have concerts uh over there then we
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have two aters um we have a coffee shop uh this place
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is the restaurant uh over there is the SAA then we have a studio then there is
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a place for Moroccan people and on the other side there is a a place for a few
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groups to make uh theater and then we have um once in the two weeks there is a
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big meeting for every um for every uh space you call it and then all people
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come together and discuss about problems and new things and
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uh about uh organization of the whole
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place WR philosop it's a term that uh I made myself for uh explaining everything
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about dreams and and and explaining the meanings of of dreams I think uh the
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dream is very important for uh for uh your Evolution or for for being really
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creative so it's it's um I'm very much inspired by dreams and and and the
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meanings of of of dreams so and uh that's in fact that I'm
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here in the squad movement or or or or into the alternative scene it's it also
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has meaning for me to um to to change things in a more creative way I notice
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very often things are have heavy political pressure or or or or intention
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believe much more into creativity than than politics Squad is is is for me uh something uh
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that young people can uh should use to uh to to express their intentions that
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their uh their beleving and the views on on life it's not something to just get
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in and and uh and and keep it for yourself and say like aha now I got a
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place now I can sleep or something you should really use it it and and do something good with
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[Music] it we are here in the withas in
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Amsterdam we start to work here in this building for about six years
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ago we had two AIMS in that one was to
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work with alternative medicine like what you see here with acupuncture and with Homeopathy and so
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on but the other part was uh to work with normal medicine for patients that
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don't want to go to a normal doctor or who cannot go to a normal doctor or Hospital in mdam is there are a lot of
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people uh uh afraid to go to a
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doctor afraid because it's too uh yeah it cost you too much money but
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also sometimes people are afraid for the doctor because because you can come in
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contact with the police in in that way and we are normal doctors we are not illegal working the only strange thing
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is that we we that we work uh for no
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[Music] money social media they they don't come
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they're not interested only when there is violence most of the time they don't give the background information
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why that house had to be evicted or why it was squatted and what is wrong about
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about that that that it has to be evicted and things like that and it's very difficult to uh go to the official
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media and tell them what uh what you want that they that they tell the people uh who listen
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to the radio so uh we have uh also our own uh
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media uh we are uh printer we exist now for
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five years and uh well we print everything that can be printed so leflet posters books and then mainly we print
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for all sorts of um political groups here in
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Amsterdam if you have a radio communication is very simple it's cheap
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and it's fast and everybody can listen to it
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[Music]
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anywhere same mistakes keep hitting us like ATS we stilling nothing living in D Town
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my neighb trying to uh repair the Mas here
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the master is the master of radio 100 the antenna is up all the way up there
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the higher the antenna the better the radio
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yeah okay this is Radio 100 a unique station
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here in Amsterdam it's now uh for six years in the air it's a free radio
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station which means we also have a free mind in the underground and in the squat
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movement um things that are um how do you say different are supposed to be
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different always are the same you know it's there's never anything new and to
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shake everything up a bit you have to uh tickle them every once in a while and
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that's what we try to do last year unfortunately on May the 17th or the
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15th I don't know exactly anymore but what the heck the police came again with
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uh special guards and so on and they took the whole studio and our Montage
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equipment and everything squat movement is in this Sense important for for free Media or especially free radio uh
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especially in in the beginning is that it gives a protection if you are you base your radio in a big squat then you
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have uh a big uh yeah for the police it will be more uh difficult to to go to
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you they are afraid they think if they go to you they will get the whole Squad movement will be there in a few minutes
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and they will have big problems when I started my program sister Evangelina on religion I did that also a little bit on
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purpose I tried to uh make the people listen to music that otherwise they would immediately
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turn off religious music just because the word Jesus or God is in it I'm not a
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religious person but uh I wanted people to get over this just to hear the music
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and to hear the true feelings that are in it so you could say it's not political but
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on the other hand it is because you have to listen uh you have to step over your own
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prejudgments in order to listen to [Music]
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something
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it was night deep in the night and I came from the center of town
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with a little boat and we entered in the restaurant there was a big machine there at that
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time and we filled our bags with stuff like um screwdrivers and uh M building
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materials and since that time we were dreaming about squatting it so two years after when uh a lot of
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squads were evicted because of a big action the government of Amsterdam um we decided to to squat the
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CEO as a group about 20 people one to live here yeah it was
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really easy we went in and we welded all the we closed all the windows and the
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police came and they were really scared that there would be some aggression from the from the house because they didn't
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know what was happening inside and then we played guard and um threw dice for a
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few weeks and when the situation was a little bit safer we started to clean and
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then after eight months when I think upstairs everything was cleaned and and the the house in the middle was clean
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then some people started to build their their own
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spaces very diverse the people that they're living you have some people who
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are very much um building people they they work with metal or they work with
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wood or they work with engines or something like this and it's it's very good for such a building because you
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need it you have also people who like we have one person who he bakes bread for us twice a week and uh he has a he works
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also with sound he has a Sound Studio and we have people who do theater work
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and uh people who do nothing we have a couple of them I I bake uh this bread um
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for all people in this building and I buil this open maybe uh two years ago two and a half years
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and I'm Bing now bread for uh one and a half year here this building and um maybe
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each month um there's coming two or 300 Gall
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from this uh from this brand but I'm doing this with uh two other
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people and uh so not all the money is from me why I do all this
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work um why are you doing all this
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work was busy with sculpting already a long time before I started uh
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performance but uh doing performance for me comes out of uh sculpting because uh
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I experienced that many sculptures had their own story with them they started
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to tell in a way they started to telling stories pictures which I could see
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nearly so uh from there on uh I used
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sculptures in in [Music]
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performance what kind of stories I think it's a psychology expressions of uh
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things uh you can't put so well in words or are unconscious maybe it's also a
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fascination with with pictures to see
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well all the time there's a lot of interest or a lot of people pass pass pass the place and sayy it's beautiful
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your squat is can I live here also can I take a space and it's very difficult to
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choose because when you see a person for the first time you don't know you don't know what person it is you cannot you
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cannot judge on a on a view so what we did was we made big list everyone who came we said okay put yourself on the
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list and we phone you and then we looked to which people came back and what they did around and if they wanted to work or
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not and like this we selected people so the way we selected was really strange
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sometimes people came it was a sunny day we were drinking wine outside and we had a meeting and we said oh yeah of course
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come and start building knce and sometimes people came who were really interested and really wanted to work but
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we had a bad mood and U rain it was raining and something rotten happened and then we said no no it's not no place
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well we squatted the new CEO which is the building next door to the old CEO which we squatted three years ago um we
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squatted it about a month ago and um just because it's um we know it's going
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to be pulled down in two years but it's a very beautiful building it's um it would be really
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great to um have performances there and and the places to work in um but
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um it's very dirty and there was a lot of work to
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do this Village was going to be destroyed um in the in the 60s already
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because the city of Amsterdam was going to make here industrial area and um so this whole village about
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400 people were living here was going to be the people were taken away the houses were flattened and the people were
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brought to other V cities no so then we a group of artists from Amsterdam we
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discovered that this almost deserted village
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and uh we squatted it we squatted first the church to make a big uh uh working
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space for people from Amsterdam and Harlem and um after that we decided to
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squat also the houses around so from that moment we live here now 20 years
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later this is 20 years ago now they want to make a an again an industrial area
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here and they want to make a harbor here you know right here at the Village the village is going to be deserted again
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people have to move out and well we want to stop them
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again and so in the coming years this is going to be very uh now it looks very
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peaceful but this is going to be a place where a crisis Place really we could change this into a into a disco we could
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make a lot of money here we have been offered many times all that money you know but we don't want any of that we
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don't we we want really what we want is peace and
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uh St stable situation so that nature can develop and U which is good for our for
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us and for our children and Bon company is uh first of all it's a group of friends
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so we started off like friends who uh met each other in town in the cafe or
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wherever and we made like plans to do uh to do happenings in this in the the end
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of the 60s and just do crazy things and slowly slowly uh in the beginning of the 70
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when we came and started Living in this Village it became more like a group who
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regularly did things so we started to be invited to festivals we created our own
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Festival we uh undertook long trips to India to
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Morocco and uh so there is group of friends who sometimes it's a small group
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some it's a big group we do things together whatever good idea comes up and
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people get enthusiastic about we start working everybody is part of the balloon
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company except if you really write a a registered letter that you don't want to
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be part of it so that's sort of the principle that it's not a specially closed company of people it's just let's
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say an energy circle of people who want to do [Music]
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things I think in the beginning it it was more uh individual act
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and and it was uh and then I'm talking about the 60s so it was a thing to be
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done um but you would do it mostly secretly and was not out in the open I
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think it it became a movement in 1975 for the first first time because then there was a
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neighborhood that should be uh cleared out of the because the government wanted to make a metro station there metro line
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and uh people started to squat the the entire neighborhood and they said no we
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don't want these houses to be broken down you know we want to live here and we want to fight your plant with the
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Metro it was about 1975 that was the first movement then of course as many
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people were doing that they came kind of communal forms to organize daily life as
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uh uh houses were often in the bad State and had to repair it so money was put
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together and so an organizational structure was created around uh a
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certain lot of houses being being organized being squatted then over the
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years and I'm talking about 70s and 80s it changed when I'm talking about am
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them in such a way that you could say that the uh working together of local uh
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or socalled original inhabitants with squatters became more and more
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rare in beginning of the 80s then there was a very offensive big movement and if
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well there are there were then maybe 10,000 people for a demonstration after
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an [Music]
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eviction it developed from a confrontation with a few policemen to confrontations with policemen with
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special cars and [Music]
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helicopters afterward we had
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uh some main issues for instance uh the
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the building in in front of the Central Station in Amsterdam it was more or less
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called The Castle because they didn't think the police was able to catch it it
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was the first time we used a container a a big shipping container with uh we
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brought it in the in the in the roof of the building we needed two two and a
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half uh hours to go from from the Tim to the the first
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floor when I speak about the last year we had one in the centur in Amsterdam
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this is Cent it was squatted the first time in
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1980 and it's been evicted now for eight eight times the last time it was evicted
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in uh March it was empty 30 years before it
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was SED the first time and the owner just wanted it empty to stay
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empty now they're trying to build very expensive um houses inside that's what
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the they say they want to do and the judge he said that it was the
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right from the owner to do what he want it or she
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wanted so now it's uh not really much
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happening and when it's empty again we squ it again in most cases it there it
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isn't possible to go in so with a special unit we go on the roof we make a
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hole in it and we from the top we go down stairs and in some cases we make
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some arrests then there are possibilities that when we are trying to do so other
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Quarters at the the outside of the building try to uh to get reaction by
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the police forces and when they do so we have special arresting teams and we try
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to arrest their people and bring them to our police stations that is that is the way of tactics tactic we handle these
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kind of problems the first time this year they came with 200 policemen and
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horses and uh special police and we squatted it again the same
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day and a week after that it was evicted again with even more police a lot of
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paint bombs being thrown at the police from uh rooftops around
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here and they arrested the the second time they arrested the people in side
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but they were released after one day the real problem with scars was that they used violence that was the real problem
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but in uh as an A so societal engaged group that say well you
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have to improve um um the Urban Dwellings you have to build new homes it
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was a very good political movement it's called a movement but when you have a conflict and the conflict um is U um uh
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desided by violence then we say well it's never permitted I say is violence
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is uh the fact that people don't have housing that the people don't have care that the people that's violence that's
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structural violence and the I see the occasional violence which comes out of the street being provoked by this
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situation being provoked by um by the police also I see it more as a kind of a
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self-defense but of course it has been for the for the city council it has been a very grateful job to put this violence
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of of the squad movement and uh and put it into the media and say people don't
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do this because they don't uh they don't listen to you you know those dirty
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squatters they just they're violent and Etc it has been a very grateful job for them to use this we gave the real
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solution in city and also in cooperation with the government that we said in Amsterdam we want to build more and in
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the end of the '70s um we built in Amsterdam say it about thousand dwellings a year but since 1980 till now
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we have built on the average each year 5,000 dwellings so of course U um um
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that um took some of the tensions away I
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think the reality about social housing is quite different you see um that for
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instance one simple fact there used to be 50 th000 people without a house here
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in Amsterdam in 1980 in 1992 now despite of the social housing
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program there are still 55,000 people without the house here in Amsterdam so I think uh and they also
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say it should stop now because there is more want for expensive housing so at
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the moment you see that they build for people with a job they they build for people uh with job with regular in
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income with for families but they don't build for young people they don't build
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for old people they don't build for people without so much money the problem
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is not not growing uh also the the the climate uh in Amsterdam has changed
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enormously U we won the political struggle in the sense that we say well well you have to divide honestly it's
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not um um the power of uh the most strong person
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the younger students Etc we said well now you have to distribute on an honest way and we want that struggle and the
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SCS became uh even more isolated isolated and now they accept our um
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policy uh position of the government has always been to try and stop this because they wanted to control everything uh
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themselves but of course they were out of technical re technical reasons they
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tried not to smash it down completely from the first moment on they saw that
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it was very strong so they tried to have a policy of two lines you know one to do
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concessions and to to give offers to people to try to drag them out of the
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movement and other was uh violent a violent way a repressive way so they
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were very good in uh in having those two-way tactics I think it's a good the
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the craigers do I think I think that the me the mo
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the Mobile Police is uh something um not good and for the crackers I think they
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are crazy why because they know the consequences of it of the use of it what
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they're doing is not wrong but perhaps the way they're doing it is wrong sometimes sometimes they're too
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violent but the things they're they're doing it for their reasons are not wrong I think a little bit oldfashioned
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but still necessary in a way okay if you need a home you you got
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to find a place you going to live on street or something like that you know if I got to crack a house I will do it
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okay thank you after 20 years squatting in Holland and in h them a lot of people
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knows know now knows about what it is and it is not only rioting or violence
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but there is a background there is a history there is motivation there is political motivation I compare it for
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myself really to to maybe this is for you in Spain this is strange but I compare it to like the rights of
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fism in in in Western Europe in Holland before the war you know you had to take
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an attitude what did what was your point of view towards Hitler now now I think
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it is the same what is your point of view towards the environmental crisis where are you my opinion about this uh
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big one big Europe who will start on 1 January of
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1993 um I think it will be uh very uh
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bad for normal people I think it is a a unification of multinationals of big
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money of uh ego egoism the Netherlands
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we are a very prosperous Society of course and when you have uh some economic growth um each year uh you will
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see that um the need of of of of of of getting more quadrat meter of living
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space will grow so it's possible that in uh say it about few years time from now on we have
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uh again very great tensions but I think that um um a repetition of the scon
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movement will not develop it's going to be very difficult future because uh we don't
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have a strategy anymore first you know if you look uh back you can see first
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everybody believed in U communist uh parties communist organizations well I I
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say communist uh parties and organizations they couldn't help people
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then you had the strategy of social movement you know if you build up social movement on one theme uh you're going to
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have they're going to have to listen to you they're going to have to change the society but this strategy also didn't
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work so now we have to look for a new strategy I heard for uh for squatting
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people when I came here in in Amsterdam before I know nothing about
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that but now I know lots and I learn also I learn a lots because I I've I've
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comeing from really different country it was communism there and it's different
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situation totally than here and now scat movement is against capitalism against
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making money against profit against lots of [ __ ] in this
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world
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